Update: As of 6:45 pm on December 1, 2011 my Youtube Channel is officially back and open for business!
Here’s what they said:
YouTube Support
show details 6:45 PM (5 hours ago)
Hi there,
After a review of your account, we have confirmed that your YouTube
account is not in violation of our Terms of Service. As such, we have
unsuspended your account. This means your account is once again active and
operational.If you forgot your password, please visit this link to reset it:
(link removed)Thanks,
The YouTube Team
I’d just like to say “Thank you” to the team member at Youtube who was finally willing to review my account for me, and also for reactivating it after all these months. Thank you, I truly appreciate it!
Here’s even better news:
They didn’t put any restrictions or demands on me, and they didn’t ask me to remove any of the videos… they restored it to its 100%, fully operational state.
However, even though they didn’t ask (or require) me to remove any of the videos…
I’ve been meaning to update the content on my “Jeff Johnson Youtube” channel for a long, long time.
So I just told my Operations Manager to have the guys to start “cleaning house” and updating the content on my youtube channel.
It may take a few weeks since we are in the middle of a new product launch, but I hope to have it completed for you as soon as possible.
That means… plenty of new training videos are on the way!
If you’d like to have instant access to the new training videos as soon as they are released, simply subscribe to my “Jeff Johnson Youtube” channel and you’ll automatically notified each time the new training videos are uploaded.
Here’s the original story:
Youtube shut me down and I have no idea why they would do such a thing.
I’m hoping you and my other readers can help me figure this out.
Here’s my story:
Last week Youtube terminated my account.
On August 4th Youtube sent me an email that said “YouTube Community has flagged one or more of your videos as inappropriate.”
They went on to say “Your account has received one Community Guidelines warning strike, which will expire in six months.”
Additional violations may result in the temporary disabling of your ability to post content to YouTube and/or the permanent termination of your account.”
Here’s a copy of the email they sent me:
(click on image to view full screen)
This was the first and only notice I received from youtube about this or any other video being an issue in the last 18 months… I searched my inbox just to be sure and it’s the only one I can find.
Yet they terminated my youtube account that very same day. .. youtube didn’t even bother giving me the six months they mentioned in their email message.
Even worse … in my opinion youtube’s doing a great job of tarnishing my reputation by telling everyone who tries to view one of my videos that I’m some sort of “repeated or severe violations” offender.
(Note to youtube: Are two flags for marketing videos hat have been seen hundreds of thousands of times in 3 or 4 years really “repeat” or “severe”?)
Here’s what you’ll see if you visit my old youtube channel right now (click image to view full screen):
I had something like one million views of my youtube channel so chances are pretty good a LOT of people will see this less than friendly message.
And here’s what you’ll see if you visit one of the pages of that used to host my individual video:
Not cool, youtube! You are accusing me of posting “spam, scams, and commercially deceptive” videos yet nothing was being sold in the video, and it was 100% unique educational content that I created for my thousands of loyal youtube followers.
(Note to youtube: Everyone makes mistakes, especially me. But isn’t it possible that once in awhile your automated software systems or overly tired employees that are tasked with reviewing tens of thousands of videos a day make a mistake as well? If so, why not say something nice like “sorry, this video is no longer available”, when you remove a video… It just seems much “nicer” in my opinion and doesn’t seem nearly as offensive to someone if their video was mistakenly removed.)
Now I’m a big boy and I know when I do something wrong but I still have no idea what I did wrong
The video they flagged as “inappropriate” was me speaking at an internet marketing seminar.
The title of the video was “Part 2 — Internet Marketing With, SEO, youtube, Myspace, Facebook, RSS Feeds and More.”
I believe this particular video was posted in 2008 as part of an 18 part series that has been viewed over a hundred thousand times (I can’t give you exact dates or total views of each of the 18 videos in that series since youtube has locked me out of my account).
(Note to youtube: My team was able to locate a backup copy, but what about all the people that don’t have backup copies of their videos? It sure would be helpful to everyone if you allowed us limited access to our accounts after you terminate them so we have an opportunity to download the videos in our account.)
I’ll go on record right now and say I HAVE ABOSLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE OFFENSIVE ABOUT ME SPEAKING AT AN INTERNET MARKETING SEMINAR… I was teaching people how to use web 2.0 to promote their business (which by the way is permissible according to youtube’s own terms of service).
I still have no idea why they would terminate my account and ban me from youtube for life for such a video…
But just to be safe I checked out youtube’s Community Guidelines:
Here are Youtube’s Community Guidelines as printed on their site as of August 11, 2011
(my comments are below each youtube guideline and is marked with “Jeff Says:”)
1. ” YouTube is not for pornography or sexually explicit content. If this describes your video, even if it’s a video of yourself, don’t post it on YouTube. Also, be advised that we work closely with law enforcement and we report child exploitation. Please read our Safety Center and stay safe on YouTube.”
Jeff Says: I have never posted anything remotely close to pornography anywhere on the internet, especially on youtube. Don’t get me wrong, I like naked women as much as the next guy but my youtube channel is 100% porno free so this can’t be the issue.
2. Don’t post videos showing bad stuff like animal abuse, drug abuse, under-age drinking and smoking, or bomb making.”
Jeff Says: I don’t abuse animals, I don’t do drugs, I don’t smoke and I don’t encourage under-age drinking and I’ve never posted anything related to any of these topics on the internet, especially my youtube channel.
3. Graphic or gratuitous violence is not allowed. If your video shows someone being physically hurt, attacked, or humiliated, don’t post it.
Jeff Says: The video was of me speaking at a seminar and I promise you I didn’t attack, physically hurt or humiliate anyone in any of my videos. Although if you’ve ever been to a seminar you’ll know that there are those people in the audience that you wish you could just smack upside the head for saying or doing stupid. But this just wasn’t’ the case in any of my videos.
4. YouTube is not a shock site. Don’t post gross-out videos of accidents, dead bodies or similar things intended to shock or disgust.
Jeff Says: No dead bodies, no mutilations, no accidents or anything even remotely close to that in any of my youtube videos. The only thing shocking in my videos is my ability to talk really, really fast and cover a ton of material in a short period of time, but thankfully there’s no youtube rule against that (at least not that I’m aware of).
5. Respect copyright. Only upload videos that you made or that you are authorized to use. This means don’t upload videos you didn’t make, or use content in your videos that someone else owns the copyright to, such as music tracks, snippets of copyrighted programs, or videos made by other users, without necessary authorizations. Read our Copyright Tips for more information.
Jeff Says: I created all of the videos in my youtube channel except for a few of my speaking at an internet marketing seminar and I have full permission from the seminar hosts to use them in my marketing.
(Note to youtube: there are dozens of illegally posted copies of my videos on youtube, including copies of the video you terminated my account over. But when I tried to report them as copyright infringement… I couldn’t use your online form since I was locked out of my youtube account… and you need a youtube account to report copyright infringement using your online system.)
6. “We encourage free speech and defend everyone’s right to express unpopular points of view. But we don’t permit hate speech (speech which attacks or demeans a group based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, and sexual orientation/gender identity).”
Jeff Says: Definitely does not apply to any of my youtube videos… I’ve been on record in my videos saying many times “why can’t we all be friends” and “spread the love, baby”. I’m all for world peace and letting everyone just do their own thing as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else.
7. ” Things like predatory behavior, stalking, threats, harassment, intimidation, invading privacy, revealing other people’s personal information, and inciting others to commit violent acts or to violate the Terms of Use are taken very seriously. Anyone caught doing these things may be permanently banned from YouTube.”
Jeff Says: There’s nothing predatory in any of my youtube videos, and the only thing I incite in my videos is the burning desire to out and get some traffic, build a list, and make some money. Is that such a bad thing?
8. ” Everyone hates spam. Don’t create misleading descriptions, tags, titles or thumbnails in order to increase views. It’s not okay to post large amounts of untargeted, unwanted or repetitive content, including comments and private messages.”
Jeff Says: This “everyone hates spam” is the only one I can think of that may apply.
But only because youtube has billions of videos to review so they may have been a bit too rushed when they looked at this particular video and didn’t realize it was indeed a unique video with 100% unique content.
I can certainly understand their mistake in their haste reviewing billions of videos so I hope this clears it up for them.
This particular video was part 2 of a 18 part series.
My presentation at the seminar lasted for almost 3 hours. But when I posted these videos in 2008 youtube only allowed your videos to be 10 minutes long.
So I chopped up the presentation into 18 unique videos that were about 10 minutes long.
Each video contained unique content from my presentation and needed to be watch in sequence, starting with part 1 or they wouldn’t’ make sense.
Each of the 18 videos had the same title and description with one exception; we added “part 1”, “part 2”, “part 3” to the titles so the youtube community could easily find all 18 parts.
The title of the video in question was named “Part 2 — Internet Marketing With, SEO, youtube, Myspace, Facebook, RSS Feeds and More”.
If I gave each of the 18 parts of the series a completely unique title and description youtube viewers would never be able to figure out which of the almost 90 videos in my youtube channel were related, and in which order they were supposed to watch them.
Yes, they were in a “playlist” but when you searched google or youtube they still came up as individual videos.
And if you visited my youtube channel after finding one of them in the search results of google, youtube, bing, or yahoo they were still listed as individual videos in the channel (youtube designed it to work this way, not me).
So to make it easier for the youtube community I gave each of the 18 parts the same title and description with the exception of adding “Part 1”, “Part 2″… “Part 18” to the title.
It’s like a movie… they called Lethal Weapon 4 for a reason. If you saw it on a video rental shelf and you hadn’t seen Lethal Weapon 1, 2 or 3 yet you may want to go back and watch those first so part 4 made more sense to you. Or if you watched part 4 and liked it, it would be easy for you to go back and rent parts 1, 2 or 3.
And how could you possibly know that” Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan” was the 8th movie in the “Friday the 13th” series if they didn’t tell you that in the title? They were all 100% original (arguably) movies but they shared a common title.
So in the end…
I did what I thought was best for the youtube community from a usability standpoint and used an almost (but not quite) title and description for each of the 18 unique parts of my one seminar presentation that was posted on youtube.
Each of the 18 videos contained 100% unique content.
I just added “part 1, part 2, part 3, etc” to the same basic title so they would be easy to identify as related videos, and the viewers would be able to watch them in the correct order since they were all part of the same 3 hour long seminar presentation.
So let’s recap:
- As far as I can tell I have never violated any of the youtube community guidelines that they listed as a possible reason for my account being cancelled.
- I have never used automated software to increase anything with this account.
- I never posted my youtube videos to more than one youtube channel.
- I had approximately 7,800 subscribers to my youtube channel and every single one of them subscribed under their own free will because I gave away such great free content on youtube.
- I posted almost 90 unique videos to youtube over the last 3 or 4 years.
- I created all of the videos and owned the copyright, or I had permission from the seminar host to post my presentations given at their seminar.
- I had over a million channel views on youtube.
- My Individual videos had been viewed as many as 350,000 times and I never used automated systems of any kind to inflate my views.
- And the video listed as inappropriate by youtube was simply me speaking at an internet marketing seminar teaching people how to promote themselves and their business online. Which, by the way, is listed as a “permissable commercial use” of youtube in their own Terms of Service.
I wasn’t even selling anything in the video.
Yet youtube sends me an email and tells me that the video that has been posted for 3 years was “inappropriate”
And without further warning and without receiving any additional flags they immediately terminated my youtube channel and locked me out.
They won’t even allow me access to download the original copies of my videos that I worked so hard to create all these years.
And when I sent them an email asking them “why” they terminated my account they replied with an email that said “We are unable to provide specific detail regarding your account suspension or your video’s removal. For more information on our what we consider inappropriate content or conduct while using YouTube, please visit our Community Guidelines and Tips at http://www.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines and our Help Center article…
That response really didn’t answer my questions so I sent them another email asking for clarification.
I know you guys are anxious for me to get my youtube account back so I can continue sharing my tutorials with you, and so am I because we all love youtube… it’s the best video sharing site out there, but I’m still not having much luck getting in touch with youtube.
As you can see from my post below either youtube’s customer service or automated response system could use a little help, or they just don’t feel like talking to me. Either way it is very frustrating.
Youtube sent the “flagged” notice to the gmail account associated with my youtube account. It’s the same email they send all their messages to, and it’s the email account I use to log into my youtube account.
When I replied to their “flagged” notice asking them why they would terminate my youtube account with only 1 flag in over 18 months, and only 2 flags in the history of an account with something like 1 million channel views…
Youtube replied by saying “The email address that you have provided does not match the email address of the account in question. In order for us to review your issue, you must be the owner of the account”
(click the image below to view a copy of youtube’s email in full screen)
I’m not sure how that could be the case considering I logged into my gmail account and directly replied to the email they sent me notifying me that my video had been removed.
I’ve been known to make mistakes, everyone does, but in this case I simply replied to their original email by hitting “reply” from within my gmail account.
I then replied again telling them there must be some kind of mistake and that I could prove I was the owner of the account, and that “this” gmail account was indeed the account associated with my youtube account.
But it’s been 2 or 3 weeks and still no further replies from youtube.
I understand that youtube is busy, much busier than I am. But I’ve been waiting patiently for 31 days now and still no luck getting through to them. So I need your help clearing this misunderstanding up…
Here’s How You Can Help:
If you have any idea why youtube would have shut my account down given the quality of the content I’ve been sharing on it for years I’d like to hear about it.
If you have any contacts at Google or Youtube that you could put me in touch with that would be willing to hear my case I’d love to hear from them.
If you have experienced similar issues with Youtube or Google (since Google owns Youtube) I’d love to hear about it.
If you have any idea how I can go about getting my channel reactivated I’d love to hear about.
So please leave your comments below and let’s see if we can help us, and help youtube learn from this experience. And don’t be afraid to share this post with your facebook friends, your twitter followers or your email readers… the more people that hear about this misunderstanding the better.
More importantly… let’s see if we can clear this up so I can continue posting unique, helpful, content- rich videos to youtube for you and the million other viewers of my channel to enjoy!
Mark Dulisse says
and what scrapping automation software are you using?
Something suspicious 🙂
Jeff Johnson says
I have NEVER used automation software on this account. I tested some for my clients on a different throw away account years ago for my clients and that account is still live.
But I recommended to my clients don’t use it even though youtube’s TOS allow it.
Al Yarbrough says
I feel for you Jeff… I got banned for life by Google myself and I was just experimenting with internet marketing now and then. I expect you have had a bullseye on your back for a long time.
It must be very difficult for you since you have a significant business, so much of your “fly paper” is video and you have a staff to feed. Until I retired 4 months ago I was a small business owner/contract programmer virtually all of my adult life. So I may understand at least in small part what you are going through. You have my best wishes and prayers… I’m glad I’m not in your situation.
Right now, I’m trying to learn how to use other PPC and SEO effectively but it isn’t going too well… particularly SEO… I can’t seem to get past page 3 or 4 for real keywords and stay there… Oh, well…
Personally, I would love to see Google/YouTube end up bankrupt. Internet marketers built google…. not the searchers. I don’t know why they treat us this way… probably because they have such a large market share and so much money that no one can touch them. Seems to me that there are numerous legal avenues available where Google is vulnerable… Mostly at the Federal level.
I’ve long had the thought that if all of you successful IMers would get together you would have a good chance against them in court. Restraint of trade would seem to me to be a good place to start. Can you imagine what it would do them if they were fighting the justice department and 3 or 4 class-action suites? Not to mention a long-term advertiser strike. Good bye stock price… maybe they would listen then…
Good luck and all the best.
Al
Anatoli says
Second thought Jeff.
Recently I came across with a product from newly acclaimed marketer who teaches on how to destroy competition by reporting to Google.
Maybe we digging to deep and this is just a stupid newbie who is just messing around.
Possible competitor.
Jeff Johnson says
I hope it isn’t that easy to take down your compettion!
Martin Percival says
Hi Jeff,
I can only hope your campaign here wakes someone up at YT central.
Although I’ve done nowhere near as many years as you in IM, I had my own account killed in exactly the same way, while I was on vacation a couple of weeks back.
My sin – posting a real product review, not one made in Animoto, not a hype-filled affiliate video, pointing out the real content of a recent IM release.
I got several “thanks” for the unbiased approach and then the Youtube Hammer came down before I could even reply to them.
I’ve seen some of your videos in the past and I agree that someone in the Google heirarchy has blown a fuse. My reputation is similarly tarnished by their accusations on the video page and I wonder how many “defamation of character” emails they are going to get before they wake up to the legal situation they’ve put themselves in.
Good luck with the fight, I’ll be watching their response to you with interest.
Martin
Chris says
A video about gaming YouTube perhaps isn’t the most sensible thing to put on YouTube!
Pratfalls, fluffy kittens and makeup tips, yes, but this kind of video is a fairly obvious ban hammer target.
Private-only channels are best for business type presentations but then you lose the viral element, so it’s a compromise. I can see why you’re so mad Jeff, particularly with the offensive replacement text that YouTube put up (almost libelous I’d say) but you know Google/Matt Cutts don’t like this kind of thing anyway – they’ve said so often enough – so no surprise really. Giving you 6 months and then banning you the same day with no recourse is just bad dealing on their part though – a very low blow.
Robert Beatty says
I can’t see what’s wrong with the video. It’s a great lesson actually. In fact its making me consider getting ryan deiss’s lab just so I can get my hands on the dvd set in your bonus! (^L^)
liz says
Of course Google no longer own Utube!… I guess someone got trigger happy.. I will certainly let people know. It could destroy lesser peoples business’s… Too much power in too few hands.. Monopolies rule!! I guess it will take a lot of effort to get past this.. Sueing would just bankrupt you and make the lawyers RICH. Don’t do it!!….
Power is in the hands of the people … BUT you have to mobilise them and this is difficult until it effects them… The old addage ” I did nothing till they came for ME!!
Liz
Anatoli says
Hi Jeff.
I have a bad news for you, in fact this is a bad news for all internet marketing Gurus.
Let me ask you, why we don’t drive electric cars?
Why we don’t use alternative source of energy?
There is many WHY that I can mentioned in different arias of economy,
politics and others.
The Monopoly!
This would happened sooner or later.
You compete with Google and as a big marketer you should understand that.
As you can recall, in the past year Google shat down thousands sites
and close thousands accounts.
Google make money on advertisements and you promote tactics on how to generate free traffic.
Which part you don’t understand?
I know how you feel but there is nothing that you or anybody else can do about it.
This is inevitable.
John says
Jeff,
Think about this: “You get what you’ve paid for.”
Their infrastructure, their billion dollar investments, … wake up and accept the fact that there is no free perpetual traffic (you are paying a price right now).
If you don’t believe me, ask Frank K. He is the most honest one in the IM guru space. He is perfectly clear about that, all the time.
And by the way: Most regular people will perceive many of your techniques as spammy.
You want you rules? Then build a platform of your own. It’s that simple and costly.
Yours
John
Jeff Johnson says
Google puts the top blogs in the top spots of their search results, but many of them are simply reporting the same story over and over again.
This is only a small slice of what I teach; I have 257 videos inside traffic voodoo alone and I’ve taught for years to add value to content if you are republishing it… now more so than ever after panda.
John says
It’s a never ending game of hunt and defeat. I wish the adjustment cycles were a bit smoother and not that harsh. Something is working, and after a while when many people are using it (and some abusing it) it gets shut down.
Let’s see how long “curated content” will reign. What will be the next thing?
I really appreciate your content (and it’s great content, really, very dense, very valuable for those who can take action).
Unfortunately serious, ethical IM’ers are in minority. That said, the value of your content and grading of your techniques is judged by the beholders.
And yes, any rating system (like, dislike, +1, flag, …) can be abused by self-proclaimed protectors of the community.
True story on the side. Ex-governor Arnold Schwarzenegger was reported to the authorities by a private non-smoking advocate for smoking at the local airport in Salzburg, Austria.
Unfortunately people with Nazi mentality are and will always be among us, … even as employees in very big corporations like “big G”.
Yours
John
Clayton Johnston says
Hello Jeff and Esteemed Guests,
All I can say Is WOW, this is one of the best threads of direct communication between Mentor, Student & concerned Business Owners I have seen in a very long time. Great Honesty and respect has been shown….
We are dealing in uncertain times Online and we have helped the Corporate Giants to grow to unprecedented heights as we have all believed in them and their motives….
They spend billions on promotions to get Business Owners into Adwords and then ban people by the 1000’s after they spent hundreds of hours learning their system to create an honest living using their services…
Now they seem to be sweeping across the number 1 video site You Tube where they promoted us to use their systems and actually set them up for business owners as well as the public… Once again people have spent hundreds of hours learning and fine tuning these systems.. Only to be swept under the carpet once they become successful from teaching hundreds of thousands to use their systems effectively….
Each day we hear of more more successful business owners who have helped these giants to actually improve their systems and fine tune them so they are now worth billions and have millions of users, only to turn around and scrape away all the honest business owners hard work without explanation but Auto Responders and Non Emotional Robots repeating the same sermons….
They definitely created a fantastic Viral Marketing Plan that we all equally help them to implement day after day…. The best plan I have seen for mass marketing promoted exclusively by the people….
Without Gurus we have no one to test any of these online systems to their limit…. So I think everyone should be very grateful for these pioneers of the online world… They stick their necks out and put their money back into perfecting these systems…
As history has shown us time after time…. Who would you rather believe the Internet Guru who directly communicates with his people and helps to solve problems or the Corporation who gives you the same standard answers no matter your situation….
I too have spent $100k over 10 years learning from the Internet Gurus and Online Mentors…. Sometimes I win and sometimes I lose, but I never stop learning…. So every dollar spent was my choice as it was your choice too…. Be happy with your choices !!
I also purchase the full rage of Jeff Johnson products, and to tell the truth I have yet to get maximum value out of these products simply because there is so much training and learning to do !!
But I would rather have a good connection with a dozen of the people you call Gurus, because they spend all of their hard earned money on learning experiences, testing tools and services to share with us for a return with buyers like us !!
Remember – Not a single person in History has ever become a millionaire without the help of other people…. That is the facts !!
So now I think would be a good time for the Top 100 Gurus to get together and create some time of Online Peoples Group…. Where the voice of the people can tackle these big corporations… Keep the group Independently owned with all Gurus having equal Shares…. Keep it promotion free and a place where the best of the best are assembled and they represent the people….. A simple Social network site that tally’s the results of what the people do and don’t like about trading online….
A group that can approach these radical changes happening online and rule changes and deliver the news back to its people daily….
We are so separated online with no Independent group that we can ll tap into…. So of course there is going to be scammers and wanna be gurus taking our money daily…..
Imagine a world where we really are united online, because if we are not working together very soon then we will continue to be dictated to by the corporate Giants….
You are the man Jeff in a position to help set up such a Joint Venture with the other Gurus….
The Peoples Online Choice…… Why don’t we have the opportunity to start rating all of these huge online entities and sharing their results virally in one place….
I would love to start the ball rolling with all of the real life stories of lost income and families when thousands of Google Adwords Accounts were banned…
Next the Real Life Results of what is now happening on You Tube….
If we can’t from a United Group Online for the Peoples Voice then sadly Jeff you will just be another Guru who did well for a few years while helping create extra income for thousands of mums and dads…..
I think this is the WAKE up call that everyone needs Jeff…….
I love all Gurus who get the Guru Label, they are the pioneers, now I would really like to see all of you guys work together for a bright future that we can all be proud of…….
I should know I’ve spent plenty of money with all of your mates Jeff including Rich Schefren, Mike Filsaime, John Reese, Russell Brunson, Andy Jenkins, Frank Kern, Amish Shah, Derek Gehl, Joel Comm, Ryan Deiss, Mike Koenigs, Anik Singal, Jeff Walker, John Chow, Trey Smith, Armand Morn and the list goes on and on…..
I can honestly say I have enjoyed sharing my hard earned money with all of the All Star Guru line up….
Without the Gurus I would not be working full time form home running my own business….
Now all I ask is that you meditate on what I have shared, because Jeff this is just the start of the real Mass Control that is happening online… Sorry Frank to use your brand : ) But it is happening each day now….
Its time for all of us to give something back to the Gurus… Get Positive, get motivated and push all of your own Mentors and Gurus to start joining forces not for profit but for the welfare of millions and millions of people who turn to the Internet just to connect with others, promote their business and earn the extra income needed simply to help their family grow and shine…..
We need a 1 x United Voice, 100’s of Gurus, 1 Group, 1000’s of Business Owners, Millions of Students.
Who is up to the challenge ?
P.S. Very Sad to hear about so many you tube accounts being banned after thousands of hours of work…. But really it is time to take a step back and re assess what the people really need….
Enjoy your day
Clayton J
” Many Minds Make Light Work ”
http://www.claytonjohnston.com
Jeff Johnson says
Thanks for all the great input. However, you said “Jeff you will just be another Guru who did well for a few years while helping create extra income for thousands of mums and dads”…there are many other ways to get traffic and money on the net… no one particular source will ever be responsible for my failure, except me 🙂
Clayton Johnston says
Well said Jeff… That is the exact reason why I love what you stand for and why you will always be one of my top 10 go to people for Honest and trusted information…..
I know there are hundreds of traffic sources and you use 85% of them lol… I was just trying to push my point home about setting up a central go to web portal for people to get the latest news, get help and finally have all of the top Gurus working together to really help the people like never seen before online…. The voice of the people portal….
Love your work anyway Jeff, you are a gentleman and I thank you for doing all that you can each day helping people to succeed online… It is a gift and talent and you have both…
And thanks for always being so positive and refreshing with your community… : )
Cheers